Hi,
During the practice I noticed that the snare sound is muting/changing sound/cracking when played with a bass drum in the same hit/time.
Can’t remember the set name I used but it doesn’t appear with every set I use.
I will try to send some diagnostics over when possible.
Thanks
Arek
maybe it’s too loud and they fight for same frequencies?
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You are bringing up something I’ve wanted to discuss w the SP guys as well. In audio mixing, there’s a term “masking”, when for example the bass guitar low end “masks” the kick drum low end. With SP the entire mix, to my knowledge is all in Stereo and 2x channels. So, if your kick and snare both have a lot of for ex 100-150 hz, you play them at the same time and they are both dead center of the mix, that freq can cause masking of one of the instruments. There’s another thing that might be happening, where low end w sustain, a kick for ex, that low end hangs out for a moment and nothing gets thru. You can Pan each left and right but then they’d effect the other instruments and those are usually center in modern mixes. You could go to the bass drum if the sustain is the issue and reduce the sustain(or change the sample) or even eq cut out a freq, but you’d need to know how to hear that, you can learn online. I’m curious what the SP guys say here.
Hi @Arek_z_rodu_Kulesza, @Nici_Struchen, and @West_Brad,
Frequency masking is a theoretical possibility, but it sounds to me more like sounds in the set are getting “choked up” by a limiter or compressor. Basically just too much signal going into the compressor at once and everything gets ducked down suddenly.
We were pretty careful about mixing the presets so this doesn’t happen, but there are a lot of sets so it’s possible something got by us.
@Arek_z_rodu_Kulesza, if you do happen to find set that this is happening on, first make sure that you haven’t added a compressor or limiter or anything else that might boost the gain a lot (to either the set itself or on your global set), and if there’s nothing you’ve done to significantly boost the gain, then feel free to let us know which one it is and we can fix it in an update.
If it is frequency masking, you should be able to throw a multiband EQ on both instruments and watch the spectrogram to see if there’s significant overlap, and then EQ one of the instruments to cut the frequencies that overlap
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Does the SP software allow choke groups? The Renoise daw takes this a step further with New Note Actions whereby a new note triggers a behavior from a currently-playing note, like initiating the envelope release, triggering a whole new sample, etc. This could be implemented here by linking kick and snare to apply dynamic eq, multiband compression, or other fiters. The SP software already has similar modulating features like velocity to sample.
Hi @hexspa,
Yes, there are choke groups in the software!: How to Choke Sounds | Sensory Percussion 2 Help
There currently is not multiband compression/dynamic EQ, which would certainly be a useful tool in mixing. But there is sidechain compression, which can also help build dynamic relationships between the elements of your sets.
And I haven’t checked out Renoise, but it sounds pretty cool. There are lots of things you can do with envelopes and cross control in Sensory 2 to affect a currently playing sound either with a new hit on the same drum, or a hit from another drum
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It looks like you can have velocity-sensitive choking across drums and even within parts of the same drum. That’s a layer of granularity I wasn’t expecting. Cheers.
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